Thailand - Girls Page 4
Thai girls have feelings too
This is, in fact, a huge understatement. If you have been reading the wrong web sites, or talking to the wrong people, you might be under the impression that all Thai girls are scheming, cheating, conniving, heartless gold-diggers who have no feelings. Again, it's a case of foreign men who only ever have experiences with Thai prostitutes and tar all Thai girls with the same brush.
Forget bar girls and other sex workers. The average Thai girl is extremely sensitive with intense feelings and emotions. On one hand the Thais are a pragmatic race but on the other they are quite naive, not displaying the cynicism that so many Westerners have.
The girls still have romantic notions of love even though their pragmatism tells them that what they dream about probably won't happen in reality. We tend to get cynical through experience and a series of failed relationships is enough to make most people cynical about romance.
The problem for normal Thai girls is that they don't get this experience because of the extreme conservatism that exists in Thai culture. They won't have had a string of boyfriends by their mid-20's, like most Western girls, and consequently they don't become as cynical. I know a number of girls approaching 30 who are lovely girls but who have never had a proper relationship. Most respectable Thai girls will still be virgins when they marry.
They are very wary of men and this is basically because of the way many Thai men carry on. It doesn't often come up in conversation but I was quite shocked one time when marking a paper that one of my better students had written.
The writing topic was about whether men or women make better parents. Her views were extreme, to say the least, and it was very clear that her general opinion of males was not good.
The problems come when the girls finally allow themselves to fall for a man. Up until that point they have been very naive and reserved but at least they don't get hurt. When they fall in love they fall in a big way and if things don't work out the situation can get quite unpleasant.
As a respectable farang man in Thailand it is quite possible that a good Thai girl will fall in love with you. As I stated, the girls often have bad opinions of Thai men but see farang men (excluding the obvious sex tourists and sexpats, of course) as being different.
They're not, of course, but the girls think they are. This is basically because they don't have any experience of foreign men with which to form personal opinions and the impression they get from magazines and Hollywood is very favourable, even if it is completely false. Men are the same everywhere. Some are good and some are bad, no matter where they come from.
It doesn't take a lot to make a Thai girl fall for you. It's one of those ironies in life that the more you try with girls, the less interested they are and vice-versa. This applies in Thailand just as much as it does elsewhere.
Just being a nice guy, not bothering them, not paying a huge amount of interest in them, but treating them respectfully and spending a little money occasionally is enough. The problem is that this attracts a lot of girls who you may not be particularly interested in and the phone calls will still be coming a year later, no matter how much you ignore them.
When a girl falls for you and it turns into a relationship, this is fine while you are happy with the situation but be warned if you decide you have had enough and want to get out. Techniques I used to use in England to inform girls I was no longer interested don't work in Thailand.
Ignoring the phone a few times, not returning calls or making feeble excuses doesn't send out a message or deter them. They are extremely tenacious and won't give up. If you are really determined to finish a relationship - and she isn't - expect a lot of grief.
Suicides over broken relationships are not uncommon in Thailand (and neither are murder or contract killings if she feels aggrieved enough).
As I have stated elsewhere, I have spoken to Thais who have just lost a parent and they don't seem that upset (maybe because of Buddhist beliefs about rebirth) but they absolutely go to pieces over broken relationships.
For foreign men it is easy to enter into a relationship with a Thai girl. If she's a bar girl, no problem. She's only doing it for the money and is unlikely to have any feelings for you so won't be upset when you feel like a change.
Be careful with the riep roi girls though. Getting into relationships with good girls should not be taken lightly. If you decide later that you want to get out, expect lots of fireworks and emotional pain. Take your time in Thailand and don't get involved too quickly, as tempting as it may seem. There are thousands of decent Thai girls out there for decent foreign men but to avoid problems later wait until you are fairly convinced you have found one who is right for you.
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Crafty Eddie, the Danish love rat
One evening (yesterday evening actually, as I write this) I popped out to the convenience store next door for a takeaway curry. I am friendly with one of the girls in there who had recently disappeared for a month. She had returned and her motivation to learn English hadn't diminished so - as always - she had a few English language questions for me.
The evening in question was very different though. She was in a very bad way and desperately needed a shoulder to cry on. She decided to pour out her heart to me in the shop and broke down in tears. Later, I found out that she had been crying almost constantly for a couple of weeks.
The story was that she had gone to Patong a couple of years ago to help in her brother's small restaurant and while there she had been spotted by Crafty Eddie from Denmark. For a long time after that, Crafty Eddie had done a very good impression of being Nice Guy Eddie but unfortunately that didn't turn out to be the case.
He was obviously aware of the Patong bar girls but, unlike most sex tourists, his strategy to get sex in Thailand was a little different. As I have mentioned before, there are hundreds of thousands of thoroughly decent girls from good families in Thailand but sex with them is off limits outside of marriage. Bel, the girl in the shop, is one such example.
Crafty Eddie was aware of all this (it seems that he makes several fairly lengthy trips to Thailand each year so he knows the score) but he just uses that knowledge to con Thai girls so that he can have his evil way with them.
After meeting Bel for the first time he went home but returned to Thailand several times subsequently and told her that he loved her very much. He told her he wanted to marry her and that she should tell her family and friends about the forthcoming marriage.
He made a big point about wanting to meet her parents so he could prove to them what a nice guy he was and that he could take care of their daughter. He even told her he had been researching photo studios for the wedding photos. It was a convincing act and Bel fell for his Viking charms.
She was completely taken in with all this and I think that a major factor was her total lack of experience with men - especially farang men. Although she is 31 she had never had a boyfriend before Eddie and I would bet my house that before she met him she was a virgin. There are armies of conservative, virgin girls in their late 20's and early 30's just like Bel in Thailand.
What was a little strange about Crafty Eddie's trips to Thailand was that although he 'loved' Bel so much and wanted to marry her - so he claimed - he would only meet her briefly before going off travelling around the country for long periods on his own.
On his latest extended visit, he met Bel for a couple of days and then left the girl he supposedly wants to marry in order to rent a house at the other end of the country in Nong Khai. However, Bel was invited to stay with him for a month and that was where she was when she disappeared recently.
Being the type of girl she is, she couldn't tell her family the true purpose of her trip so had to make up some kind of an excuse. In Nong Khai she went straight into good Thai wife mode, doing all the domestic chores and waiting on Eddie hand and foot. He also got to have his way with her so his goal was accomplished.
At the end of the month he told her he was now bored with her and that she should get another boyfriend. Sure. At 31, he was the first man she had ever been with and now he just expects her to go back home and find another one. She was distraught and inconsolable.
His birthday was coming up but he told her he wanted her to leave before then so that he could spend it alone. I don't think so Eddie. I don't think you had any plans to spend your birthday alone but you didn't want Bel around because she would cramp your style you heartless bastard.
While in Nong Khai she spoke to the owner of the house Eddie was renting and found out that he had been entertaining other girls there. This didn't surprise me in the least.
She tried calling him but he had decided to stop answering her calls. Eddie, if you ever chance upon this, you have temporarily wrecked this girl's life. She is heartbroken and although the pain she is feeling will fade eventually, it's going to take a very long time.
The healing process can't even begin until she knows for sure the relationship is definitely over but - foolishly - she still hopes in her heart that you will come back.
She can hardly cope with life at the moment and cries continuously. I have told her just to forget about you but she can't. The poor girl still thinks there is a chance you may come back but I think I know the game you are playing.
I rather suspect that Eddie has met several good girls in Thailand and has told them the same lies as he told Bel in order to have sex with them before moving on. Bel told me that when they were together he took good care of her and was a nice guy and I believe that but Eddie's problem is that one Thai girl just isn't enough.
Between sobs, Bel told me that she wasn't interested in money; that she just wanted one man in her life who she could love and take care of and raise a family with. This is what I hear from many similar girls and they are speaking the truth.
What she genuinely couldn't understand was why Eddie had told her he loved her and wanted to marry her but had then done a U-turn, telling her he was bored and that she should find another boyfriend. I tried to explain to her how men are programmed and that they think very differently to girls but nothing I could say was going to make her feel any better.
I am also a man and have the same sex drive as other men. Many of the riep roi girls I meet are absolutely gorgeous as well as being very decent girls and I would be lying through my teeth if I said I wasn't sexually attracted to them.
Like Eddie, I know what they are looking for in life and I could lie to make them believe I was the person they were looking for but, unlike Eddie, my conscience won't let me.
These girls are extremely vulnerable. They are full of emotion and at their sexual peak in their late 20's or early 30's. Most want children and they must hear the biological clock ticking. Many have never had a boyfriend or any intimate contact.
When a sweet-talking rascal such as Eddie comes along they start to feel emotions they have never experienced before in their lives. These emotions are pleasant but extremely powerful. If the guy is genuine they are very happy but if he is a scallywag the girls can experience a lot of pain.
Bel wanted some help with her English because she wanted to send Crafty Eddie a text message. I was very keen to send Eddie a message of my own using her phone but she wouldn't let me which was a shame.
The Thais have a saying: "Tum dee dai dee, tum chua dai chua," which is roughly the equivalent of the English expression, "What goes around, comes around." A more exact translation would be, "Do good, get good - do evil, get evil." Karma, in other words.
Karma really works and Crafty Eddie from Denmark is storing up a lot of bad karma for himself.
There are plenty of prostitutes in Thailand if you just want a sex holiday and there is a far higher number of decent girls if you want to find a good wife but to con the good girls into sex by proclaiming your love and promising marriage is about as low as it gets.
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Some points to ponder
There's an old saying about being careful for what you wish for because you just might get it. I'm sure that just the pictures on this page would be enough to make any sad, lonely man think a pretty Thai girl would be the answer to a happy life, and that might just be the case.
However, it depends really what you want. I see a lot of farang men traipsing around Thailand with Isaan farm girls two steps behind them who they are probably married to. I have observed couples for fairly long periods of time and it is obvious they can't communicate with each other.
Some farangs take their Thai spouses on visa runs. I've watched mixed couples at the Thai Embassy in Penang, back at the hotel and around Penang, and they don't say a word to each other for days. This might suit some people but not others.
Thai is fairly difficult to speak and, unless you are an unusually gifted linguist, even after a couple of years it is still difficult to have normal conversations. If the girl is well-educated she will stand a chance of speaking decent English but many Thais have only a basic understanding. If she is a bar girl she will probably speak bar girl English.
Don't be naive. Understand why she is with you in the first place and understand what her expectations are. If she is from a poor background accept that financial support for her and her extended family is what she will expect.
Thai women can be quite demanding in their own way and play lots of mind games. I have learnt the hard way and was lucky to escape without losing very much. It becomes easier to deal with the longer you are in Thailand but at first, when everything is new and confusing, that is the time they can catch you off guard.
If you thought Thailand was a kind of sexual playground, you are in for a few surprises if you get involved with a girl. Many are deeply suspicious, jealous, insecure, possessive and vindictive. Stabbing incidents occur fairly often and contract killings are not unheard of with unfaithful partners.
"Mai pen rai," applies to everything in Thailand apart from relationship breakups. I've met plenty of Thais who seem quite unfazed about the death of close relatives and have observed Thais with completely flooded homes laughing and joking.
These things don't bother them but the girls (and Thai men) go absolutely to pieces about relationship breakups. I don't know why but they do. One of my biggest problems in Thailand hasn't been meeting girls, but getting away from them.
I mentioned language but Thai culture is entirely different from Western culture and I can't stress how important this is to understand. I don't mean superficial differences like wai'ing instead of shaking hands and using a spoon and fork to eat instead of a knife and fork.
Her entire value system is different to yours. What she thinks is important in life, you probably won't (and vice-versa); what she wants to spend (your) money on, you will probably think is a waste (and vice-versa).
It's a real minefield and relationships with Thai women have completely ruined some men. Relationships can work - and they do work - but they need thought and understanding. Yes, I've been lonely at times in my life and I understand the powerful forces at work. Meeting a girl quickly is a short-term fix but the long-term consequences can be painful.
I'm not saying it is impossible to spend two weeks in Thailand and meet the perfect woman for you; or to find a great girl on the Internet, but I would suggest that the chances of doing so are extremely remote.
This article on the Internet made me laugh. Don't regard it purely as humour though. It is very well written and I don't doubt for a minute that any of it was made up. I'm cynical but neither I, nor the author of the article, are as cynical as some of the bar girls operating around Patong Beach.
Western Union Love by Harry Nicolaides
Craigslist Girls
Last updated: 11th June 2008
I was interested to see Thai girls advertising themselves on Craigslist in the search for a foreign husband. Writing in broken English on a site that hardly gets any Thai visitors - and specifying very clearly that foreign men only are required - they have no need to add 'Thai men need not apply' but that is clearly the case.
All they want, they say, is a good, honest man. Nothing is said about money, and age is apparently no problem. Even very young girls, around 20, say that men up to 50 are acceptable. In fact, many have a preference for older men in the belief they are more likely to be faithful and trustworthy.
Most girls include a photo of themselves in the ads and some are very pretty. They normally adopt the classic Thai girl pose: looking innocent, sweet and demure, with a soft toy next to them in the photo.
Wow. This is the answer to the prayers of every sad and lonely male over 45 in the Western hemisphere. And what's better is that men don't even have to leave the comfort of their houses to begin a 'relationship' with the Thai girl of their dreams. They can send an e-mail straight away (and I even think it's free to reply to advertisers on Craigslist).
The prettier girls advertising themselves this way must have some of the busiest Hotmail accounts in the world. For what it's worth, I would just like to add a few comments about getting in touch with Thai girls this way, and what you might expect.
For a start, I can see from reading through their details that the vast majority are all from a similar background. They are from poor families with little education, do menial jobs, and their lack of money is a constant problem in life. Some are single mothers and most have probably had bad relationships with Thai men. They're not necessarily bad girls but they have problems in life, which are mostly financial.
My next point is that there are hundreds of thousands of 'Craigslist girls' in Thailand, exactly the same as the ones who advertise, except they don't advertise on Craigslist. I meet them every day. Quite a few flirt with me and some have made it very clear that if I want them, they are mine for the asking. Many are young and pretty.
The latest such girl works in a laundry near to where I live. She's 22 (25 years younger than me), pretty, single, and has made it clear she is very available to me if I'm interested. She does laundry 10 hours a day, seven days a week, earning about Bt4,000 a month; and she has few other options in life.
Thai men with the means to change her life for the better aren't interested in girls like her. Foreign men would be interested - for obvious reasons - but where she lives, there are very few of them around and anyway, most can't speak Thai and she can't speak English.
Not only doesn't she speak any English, but she has never been outside of southern Thailand (not even to Bangkok). Her view of the world is very insular and, like so many girls of her social standing, she says she likes foreign men because all Thai men are bad. This isn't true but I will explain more in a moment.
When I say that she is available to me, there are lots of strings attached. She flirts outrageously and her body language is very sexual. I don't know if she realises she does this because I believe she does it subconsciously, but when she talks to me she pulls open the top of her shirt, as if to make sure I am aware of what she can offer.
I can't deny that this has a physical effect on me (as I feel the blood rushing from my brain to other parts of my body) but no-strings attached sex is not part of the deal. I had far more no-strings attached sex in the UK and US than I have ever had in Thailand. With Thai girls there are always strings attached and the girls advertising on Craigslist are very specific that they want foreign husbands, not brief encounters with foreigners.
I know with the laundry girl that I could very easily start a relationship that would develop into something sexual very quickly (and I am tempted at times) but then I would never get rid of her and the bottom line is that she isn't really the type of Thai girl I want a relationship with.
Just for the sake of having a little fun the consequences are too much of a headache, so I will not get involved with her. The girls can be very tenacious and because I understand what she wants, it wouldn't be fair on her to use her that way.
There is also the 'getting pregnant' trick which I am extremely wary of after having narrowly escaped this fate about six months after arriving in Thailand. With certain girls, once they get their claws into a man they think can take care of them, they will stop at nothing to hold on to him.
While speaking with her (and also the woman she works for who was trying her best to act as a matchmaker - mair-seu), the terminology they used was interesting. It wasn't simply that she didn't have a boyfriend, but that she had no one to take care of her - liang.
This idea of finding somewhere to depend on, who will then take care of them in life, is very powerful with Thai girls and is what they desire most. You can have your fun with them but they will always be looking for a lot in return and there are always strings attached.
This isn't the case with prostitutes, obviously, but that is just a financial transaction and something completely different.
What about those bad Thai men all the poorer Thai girls complain about? Not all Thai men are bad. There are some very good ones but good Thai men are picky because they can afford to be. For a start, there are a lot more females than males in the country.
In addition, Thais are very status and class conscious. Men with education and money are attracted to women of a similar social background. They aren't interested in uneducated laundry or shop girls. This is one of the main reasons why poor Thai girls are so keen on foreign men because most foreign men don't have the same class prejudices as Thai men.
The other reasons are that foreign men normally have money, and (strange as it seems), Thai girls perceive foreign men as being romantic, trustworthy and faithful in relationships. When I look at how lots of foreign men carry on in Thailand, I can't understand why they think that way but they do.
Lower class Thai girls generally only have the option of lower class Thai men, many of whom are lazy and only interested in smoking, drinking, riding motorbikes, and chasing anything in a skirt. Not a few have the morals and sexual behaviour of tom-cats.
What can you expect if you write to a Thai girl advertising on Craigslist?
If she is young and pretty, she will probably have received so many e-mails that you may not get a reply. The second point to note is that even educated Thai girls have big problems with English and the type of girls that advertise on Craigslist probably understand very little. There is, therefore, no point pouring your heart out in a long e-mail.
She won't understand and she will be much more interested in photos. If the photos are of you, kind-looking will score over handsome. Thai girls get so paranoid about men being unfaithful (based on their experience with Thai men) that some actually seem attracted to ugly men, presumably on the basis that an ugly man won't be unfaithful.
She might also appreciate photos to demonstrate material wealth - houses and cars - but writing lots of words will just be a waste of time. Keep it simple and include a copy of your bank statement.
I actually think the whole process is a waste of time, not only because you will have so much competition but because e-mail can't take 'chemistry' into account. With some people we just click, but with others we don't. In order to find out though, we need to actually meet the other person.
On a trip to Thailand, you will get an opportunity to meet hundreds of 'Craigslist girls' and you will be the only foreigner they know. The laundry girls, shop girls and maids won't have hundreds of other foreigners writing to them.
The next question is what you might expect if you enter into a relationship with such a girl. What's in it for you and what will be expected of you?
It seems to me that most lonely, middle-aged aged farang men just want sex and companionship and sure, these two things will be supplied. The sex may not be that exciting after a year but it's better than nothing and the companionship aspect may be kind of strange.
I see so many mixed couples in Thailand where clearly there is no spoken communication. She can probably speak a little English but can't be bothered speaking to her farang husband, while he can't speak a single word of Thai and can't be bothered to learn. What a great basis for a relationship.
Her life revolves around her family and Thai friends while he is a constant feature in the background, always ready with his wallet when something needs to be paid for. It's companionship in the sense that he is with other people but a very isolated kind of companionship.
A Thai girl's loyalty will be first and foremost to her family. Husbands - especially foreign husbands - will be a long way down the list of people she is loyal to. A foreign husband will also be expected to support her family in the same way he supports her. This is something that has surprised some men I have met who have Thai wives. Once they get used to the idea, it can then start to irritate them.
The bottom line is that it really depends on what you want. Girls like this are not at all worldly and have little concept of life outside their very small environment. They speak little or no English. Therefore, if you want a partner you want to be able to discuss world events with, and who stimulates you mentally, you need to look elsewhere.
If it's just a case of wanting someone to be with, and to have sex with, in return for financially supporting her and her extended family, but having nothing else that you share in common, then it may work out.
What it isn't, is the answer to every man's prayers. The sweet, innocent, demure girls that you see in the photos who only want a good, honest husband come with lots of strings attached. Provided you understand this, and provided you are happy with the arrangement, good for you. But it's not every Western man's cup of tea.
Better-educated Thai girls are a different prospect altogether and, in my opinion, extremely desirable but these are the girls good Thai men want and it is very difficult for foreigners to compete with wealthy, educated Thai men. Not only that, but higher class Thai girls will be very aware of the negative perceptions in Thai society associated with getting involved with a foreign man. This is something that girls at the bottom of the Thai social hierarchy don't really care about provided the foreign man can provide her with financial support.
Money
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the attraction of foreign men to poor Thai girls. However, money isn't quite as important as you may think and it is the reason behind most of the 'Thai girl horror stories' that proliferate on the Internet.
Throwing money at Thai girls doesn't make you any more attractive and doesn't make them any more loyal. All it does is give the impression you have so much that if she runs off with some it doesn't really matter because you have plenty more. Don't be a fool with money.
If you fall for a Thai girl and feel insecure about losing her because you have to go home, throwing money at her won't guarantee anything. If there was really something between you, the relationship might stand a chance of working. If there wasn't, it won't. Money isn't the answer but some men think it is.
I give my girlfriend very little; if I told you how much you'd think I was stingy (kee-niaow, as the Thais say), but if ever I suggest it would be best for both of us in the long-term if we separate, she sobs continuously for days and on two occasions has got into such a state she has ended up in hospital.
Real feelings about another person transcend money. As long as you're not a penniless bum and can afford to take care of the basics for her, that's all she will want if she is a good girl. If she's a mercenary money grabber that's a different story altogether.
As I mentioned above, the Internet is full of stories about Thai girls ripping men off and I have heard several from people I know but almost every time it is because the man has been stupid with money. It is normally old, unattractive men who try to form relationships with young, very attractive Thai girls.
The men must have mirrors in their houses and they know the reality of the situation but they think that money can somehow make a ridiculous situation work. My girlfriend told me of a very rich Singaporean guy who visits Thailand often for the weekend.
He has his own insurance business apparently, a fleet of fast cars and is absolutely loaded. When he arrives in town he checks into a hotel and rents three or four girls to decorate his room with and keep him company.
On one visit he went to a cabaret show somewhere and fell in love with one of the dancing girls who, by all accounts, was an absolute stunner from Chiang Mai. He made his feelings known and in order to complete the deal threw a lot of money at her.
She was young, beautiful and already had a boyfriend but when this type of thing happens to a poor Thai girl it is like winning the lottery and many feel as if they can't refuse. The rich guy rented a house and small business for her and bought her a car.
The idea of the business was so that she could keep herself occupied and earn a little money but she couldn't be bothered so it remained closed. She preferred to drive around in her fancy new car - accompanied by her Thai boyfriend.
On one of his visits to Thailand, she spun the rich guy a yarn about having some kind of a serious problem and needing Bt1 million. He gave her the money and she promptly disappeared with her boyfriend.
Another story I heard was of an English guy who set his girl up with a very nice beauty salon business. The salon was fitted out beautifully and cost a fortune but as soon as he went back to England for a while, she sold the business for a fraction of its true value and ran off with the proceeds.
These stories are legion. The moral is not to be silly with money when it comes to dealing with Thai girls. It's unnecessary with an honest girl and if she isn't honest you just stand to get ripped off if you are stupid enough to throw it around.
My female friends in Thailand not only consider money to be unimportant but would be quite insulted if anyone implied they would choose to enter a relationship just for money. As the old saying goes, a fool and his money are easily parted.
Don't be a mug
The last area of Bangkok I would ever book at hotel in is Sukhumvit but on my visits to the capital I normally make at least one visit there. I like the pizzas at Pomodoro and sometimes I enjoy a curry at Mrs Balbir's. When I get propositioned by the bar girls and street hookers I ask them where they are from to see if there are any who are not from Isaan (I haven't found any so far). The other spectacle I am fascinated by is the farang freak show.
It's free and from Pomodoro you only have to look out of the window at the weirdos walking down the steps from the Nana Skytrain station. Without doubt, I have never seen a bigger gathering of outcasts, misfits, social inadequates, perverts, creeps, criminals and outright weirdos as I have watching farangs in Thailand.
Sitting in Pomodoro one evening, a farang walked in with a bar girl and sat on the next table. I knew he was a Brit before he opened his mouth. He had a British complexion and ginger'ish hair with bad glasses and one of those silk shirts that are only worn by old men.
He was early 50's and I guess he had never been married, probably had never had a girlfriend and probably had very little (if any) sexual experience. The guy had the charisma of a pot plant. He looked as if he had been in the same job for years and probably couldn't do anything at work without a long, boring explanation first as to what he was doing. 'Boring Twat,' was the expression that came to mind.
His paid-for companion for the evening looked like quite a hardened bar girl. She had the typical long hair, tight jeans and arrogant swagger of a Bangkok sex worker and I guess she was about half his age. As they came in I saw and heard the huge alarm bell that was ringing above his head but he was completely oblivious.
As they sat down he picked up the salt and pepper pots and told her, "Same same." I'm sure he thought this was a genuine Thai expression and whenever he could he would utter it and then try to get her agreement, "Same same, yeah? Same same." Apart from that he spoke to her at 100mph in a northern English dialect which I'm sure she couldn't understand most of the time. If she could she was doing better than me and I'm from England.
The body language said everything. He leaned forward on his elbows as far as he could and gazed at her constantly. Her body language was very closed - crossed legs under the table, folded arms (apart from when she ran her fingers through her hair) and lots of glances out of the window.
This sad loser couldn't believe the girl he was with but she just wanted him to pay her so she could leave and go and have some fun. It was so obvious yet so sad at the same time.
She didn't say a word, just nodding and agreeing with him. In an effort to keep the conversation going he was coming out with all sorts of crap but nothing I heard was any more interesting than what he had tried to tell her about the salt and pepper pots.
Then came his big line. "Listen to me," he told her. (I think he has to tell people this because they normally just ignore him.) He then proceeded with his 'rescue plan' to get her out of the bar. Oh my god, is this for real? The naive idiot. Yeah sure, take her away from a life she is very happy with so she can live out her days with this boring idiot in a semi-detached house in Salford or somewhere.
The really sad thing was that he wasn't in Thailand just for sex. Had that been the case he would either have been in the bar or in his hotel room with her. He had bar fined this girl early and taken her out for a meal because he was lonely and wanted someone in his life.
The ironic thing is that there are thousands of girls in the country who are so desperate for money that they would even be prepared to marry a loser like this. However, they are not to be found in the bars of Sukhumvit and especially not the girl he was with.
She had him exactly where she wanted and would milk him dry before his flight back to Manchester. He would probably be stupid enough to send her more money when he got home. He will come back to Thailand, I guarantee it. She will have gone though and he will just make the same mistake with another sexy looking bar girl.
In some ways I wanted to help him even though he was a pathetic individual. I left the restaurant before they did and as I walked past him I almost felt like saying, "Can I have a quick word, mate." Of course, this would have been a terrible thing to do and may even have started a fight.
On the one hand, if people are that stupid they deserve what they get. On the other though, it's not his fault he was born a boring twat, and loneliness is a terrible thing to have to endure in life. Coming to Thailand wasn't a bad move but looking for what he needed in the bars of Sukhumvit most definitely was.
Don't be a mug.
Can you trust a Thai girl?
Last updated: 5th January 2009
Can you trust a Thai girl? Of course you can. It is ridiculous to make blanket statements about every single girl in the country because they are all different. I could trust a few Thai girls I know with my life if I had to but others I wouldn't trust further than I can spit.
There are lots of girls that can't be trusted but what is rather unfortunate is that many farang men who go to Thailand to live or for a vacation make a beeline straight for them. It sounds crazy but it is a fact. They head straight for the nearest bar where problem bargirls are guaranteed to be found.
I was speaking to a very educated Thai man who teaches law at the university where I teach. He lived and studied in France for 14 years and speaks fluent French as well as very good English. He was telling me how he felt sorry for a farang man he knew who been taken by a Thai girl.
It was a story I'd heard several times before. A foreign guy goes to Thailand and gets involved with a low class girl who he probably met in a bar. He gives her a lot of money to buy a house which is then bought in her name. Once the deal has been done she gets her Thai boyfriend (or husband) in and the farang gets booted out, thus losing all his money.
If there is any kind of a dispute in Thailand between a Thai and a foreigner, there will only ever be one winner and one loser. And besides, in a case where the girl can easily prove her ownership of the house and doesn't want the farang around it is an open and shut case. If he makes a nuisance of himself he will find himself on the wrong side of the law or being visited by some very unpleasant people.
When I was told this story my reaction was different to that of the Thai man. To me, it was just another stupid farang story and he got what he deserved for being an idiot. I expect he hardly knew the girl so why do a stupid thing like that?
In extreme circumstances, foreigners can lose a lot more than merely their money. Dale Henry, a 48 year-old Canadian oil worker, who was working two months on and spending his month off in Thailand thought he had found true love with a 27 year-old Thai woman he met who was working in a Koh Samui bar (which is where so many foreigners unwisely look for love in Thailand).
He gave her everything and they 'lived like royalty on his $10,000 a month salary'. His biggest mistake though was letting her know about a Bt32 million Baht life insurance policy he had taken out.
She conspired with her Thai lover and together they hatched a plan to have him murdered. She got her husband drunk and after he had fallen asleep contacted her lover who entered the house through a door she had left unlocked with a hired gunman. Dale Henry was shot dead at close range; murdered in his own house as a result of greed. Here's a link to the full story.
A little later in 2008, Ian Beeston, a 69 year-old Briton was also murdered by his Thai wife and her Thai lover.
A lot of it comes down to stupidity, naiveness and insecurity. Throwing around large sums of money in Thailand won't secure you a girl, especially if she is untrustworthy. She will just see your naiveness as an easy way to get rich. There is no need for it.
You can rent a place if you need somewhere to live. Renting is cheap and house prices are fairly static so there aren't major investment benefits with buying property. If you really want to buy a property, talk to a good lawyer and set up a company or something so that you own 49% and split the remaining 51% among sleeping partners so that no individual owns a bigger stake than you do. Make sure that there are legal agreements in place so that you can get back the remaining 51% if you want to sell up.
An expat who wrote told me of the method he used to purchase a property with his Thai girl. For a while he transferred money into her bank account on a regular basis every month. After a while she built up a credit limit and was able to take out a mortgage.
The mortgage is in her name and she is responsible for the repayments but he gives her the money each month. It is in her interest not to mess around because she needs him to pay the mortgage repayments and, with no large, paid-for asset there to tempt her, there is no incentive for her to pull a fast one on him.
There is just no need to hand over large amounts of cash to Thai girls in order to purchase land and/or property. Farangs who do this - especially when they don't know the girl very well - are the ones most likely to get their fingers burnt.
You most certainly can trust Thai girls but certain simple procedures ensure that you are more likely to meet one you can trust. For starters, don't go looking to meet girls in bars in Sukhumvit/Pattaya/Patong/Samui or anywhere else that has a population of bar girls. Be more wary of girls from Isaan and take your time getting to know the girl.
The comment about Isaan girls was contentious and may upset a few people but it's true, I'm afraid. As I said above, you can't make blanket statements about all people from a certain country or region. I've met some wonderful and truly honest girls from the Northeast but it is predominantly girls from this region who are involved in the Thai sex industry and who actively seek out gullible farang men for easy money. As I said, with girls from this particularly region, give them a fair chance but it is advisable to exercise a little more caution than with girls from other parts of Thailand.
Massage girls are another breed that should be treated with caution. I was messing around with a massage girl for a while on a casual basis. On the first session she demonstrated some interesting massage techniques and made it clear there was more on offer than what is normally taught at the famous Wat Po massage school in Bangkok. It was fun so I returned.
On one occasion when I went to her shop she wasn't there. I got chatting to another woman and in the course of the conversation she told me the girl had a farang boyfriend. She hadn't told me this before, and thinking the guy was living in Thailand I stopped visiting her.
I bumped into her later and questioned her about her farang boyfriend. She said the reason she had never told me was because I never asked. Fair enough, I suppose.
It turned out her boyfriend didn't live in Thailand but made short visits to Thailand throughout the year. She wouldn't tell me which country he came from but he was quite a bit older than her. She was in her early 30's (in very good shape) with a couple of daughters and he was almost 60.
When he came to Thailand he took her and her daughters on a vacation and she played the good wife. She said he was a good guy and there was no reason not to believe her. He treated her well and sent money every month in addition to treating her to vacations when he came to Thailand.
However, when he wasn't around she just became a naughty massage girl again. A case of, "When the cat's away, the mice will play."
If you can remember the old adage about not investing any more money in Thailand than you can afford to lose, you shouldn't go far wrong.
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